Author Topic: X-Men Origins: Wolverine (Read 2211 times)

DigsySlattery · « **on:** May 01, 2009, 10:38:03 AM »

Can I talk about this yet? Who has seen it? I can say...I think it might actually make X-Men: The Last Stand seem like a great film.

It's hilarious.

In all the wrong ways.

Juan Horsetown · « **Reply #1 on:** May 01, 2009, 11:00:56 AM »

I'm seeing it tonight. Wait until about 5pm or later to post so that I won't be tempted to read your review before I see it. I'm trying to be as untainted as possible before I go see it, though I've seen enough short reviews to not expect much.

Tom Foolery · « **Reply #2 on:** May 01, 2009, 11:30:43 AM »

Seriously? Is the buzz around this movie not that good? I've been very happy with the previous X-Men movies so I had high hopes for this.

DigsySlattery · « **Reply #3 on:** May 01, 2009, 11:38:45 AM »

Quote from: Tom Foolery on May 01, 2009, 11:30:43 AM

Seriously? Is the buzz around this movie not that good? I've been very happy with the previous X-Men movies so I had high hopes for this.

I hated X-Men 3, especially as a follow up to the first two. Now I need to rewatch it so make sure Wolverine is worse. I had no expectations, and man did it crush those non-existent expectations.

JustAnotherDrive · « **Reply #4 on:** May 01, 2009, 07:15:35 PM »

I would also like to point out that the old '90s cartoon's first two volumes came out the other day. That show was probably a lot better than the movie.

Juan Horsetown · « **Reply #5 on:** May 01, 2009, 11:36:10 PM »

Quote from: JustAnotherDrive on May 01, 2009, 07:15:35 PM

I would also like to point out that the old '90s cartoon's first two volumes came out the other day. That show was probably a lot better than the movie.

Did it?

I may have to pick that up sometime because it was awesome.

I saw Wolverine. There were some good ideas in that movie. Most all of them were executed poorly, but there were a lot of good ideas. And a lot of problems. And too much exposition.

DigsySlattery · « **Reply #6 on:** May 02, 2009, 09:36:01 AM »

The movie had to have been written by a thirteen year old, as that's the only way I could explain the overabundance of cheesy one-liners and movie cliches. By the time Sabretooth says "look what the cat dragged in," I knew this movie was a goner. The direction was also half-assed and it really looked like every fight scene was shot by someone new with a different camera. The Gambit and Wolverine throwdown specifically. Also all the CGI was horrible. There were tons of shots in the movie that just looked bad, like the one at the end with the mutant kids hobbling to wax-faced Professor X's helicopter. Why was that green screened, and done so poorly? The real problem was Wolverine's claws which were SO fake it was laughable. I find it hard to believe that his claws HAD to be CGI. Unless it was that big of an insurance thing, use real claws!

I liked Gambit, a lot. And I liked Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool at the top, even if they totally and pointlessly butchered his character at the end.

Juan Horsetown · « **Reply #7 on:** May 02, 2009, 12:57:14 PM »

This single biggest flaw is that Wolverine wasn't dangerous. He was too heroic, a nice tough guy frequently thrown into tough situations and fight his way out. We watch Spider-Man for that. If not for people incessantly telling him, "You're an animal!" throughout the movie, we never really see anything animal-like about him. What we want is a Wolverine who sometimes flips out and kills the wrong people or who hints more at inner turmoil deeper than a lost love or a forgotten and unexplained dead father. He starts at the beginning looking on disapprovingly as Victor Creed starts to be too brutal, but we never see Wolverine being "the best at what he does," as they tell us more than once also. If they're not willing to take any more risks and create a hero of more questionable nature, more of an anti-hero, then the Magneto movie is already doomed as well. I think that's the biggest shame to waste a character like Wolverine on a movie like this.

SPOILER/QUESTION
With the Weapon XI/Deadpool character revived at the end of the credits, does this mean there will now be a Wolverine trilogy? Where else would they use such a character?

DigsySlattery · « **Reply #8 on:** May 03, 2009, 11:32:27 AM »

Quote from: Juan Horsetown on May 02, 2009, 12:57:14 PM

SPOILER/QUESTION
With the Weapon XI/Deadpool character revived at the end of the credits, does this mean there will now be a Wolverine trilogy? Where else would they use such a character?

First of all, congrats on seeing the movie at a theater with that post-credits ending. My theater got a useless Wolverine in Japan one. I know they do want a Wolverine sequel set in Japan, spotlighting his time spent finding ninjas and trying to gain honor or whatever. But I also know Deadpool was put in the movie (and Ryan Reynolds agreed to play him) for the sole purpose of a spin off. A Deadpool movie would be, if done right, a hilarious and violent masterpiece. The problem is they only put a hint of what Deadpool is like at the beginning of the movie (talking nonstop, wisecracking, etc) and then he disappeared, only to reappear at the end in that ridiculous fight scene with tons of powers that aren't his, and his signature mouth sewn shut. I can't imagine anyone WANTING a Deadpool spin off now, after seeing what they did to him. Deadpool is one of the most popular characters in the Marvel Universe, and they went about trying to get him a spin of all wrong.

Still...Ryan Reynolds was great as him, and I really wish we had gotten a real taste of what a Deadpool movie would be like. Oh well.

Juan Horsetown · « **Reply #9 on:** May 03, 2009, 03:34:53 PM »

Spoiler

Well, since you didn't see that ending (it was at the Carmike in Murfreesboro where I think you used to work...), it does show his mouth ripped back open as his hand reaches out to caress his still living and severed head. Not knowing about the comic character, although I watched a YouTube clip of Ryan Reynolds explaining a little and thought it was neat, I thought the Weapon XI idea was kind of cool, but executed very poorly. He went down too easily.

carligula · « **Reply #10 on:** May 04, 2009, 11:57:45 AM »

Was Weapon XI covered in the comics or was that created specifically for the movie? I stopped reading right around the time Deadpool was introduced.

DigsySlattery · « **Reply #11 on:** May 04, 2009, 02:03:00 PM »

Quote from: carligula on May 04, 2009, 11:57:45 AM

Was Weapon XI covered in the comics or was that created specifically for the movie? I stopped reading right around the time Deadpool was introduced.

Deadpool is from the comics. He's part of the generation of Canadian experiments that followed Wolverine's creation, but the only thing that he had done to him was the addition of Wolverine's healing factor. The process did scar him greatly, but it didn't sew his mouth shut (which is good considering Deadpool is known as the merc with a mouth and is one of the funniest characters in comics). All that junk with him having Cyclops and Wraith's powers and having those ridiculous arm swords was made up for the movie and is totally ridiculous.

On another note, all that "Weapon Ten" and "Weapon Eleven" stuff is a very recent addition to the comic lore. Originally X was a letter, as it's always assumed to be, and that was Wolverine. Then Grant Morrison, a very "acclaimed" writer with very "edgy" ideas who is a "fan favorite" came along and made that letter a roman numeral. So there are nine weapons before Wolverine (with Captain America being #1, oddly), and a coupe have followed. In the comics, Wolverine's son Daken might be Weapon XI, but I've not really been a fan of any of the series that all this is being addressed in ("Wolverine: Origins" and the old "New X-Men" issues).

All this said, a movie starring Deadpool as he is in the comics would be really brilliant. Lots of potential.

carligula · « **Reply #12 on:** May 06, 2009, 10:21:18 AM »

Well, if there's a spinoff, I hope Deadpool gets the black and red ninja outfit. Also, they're gonna have to give it a subtitle to separate it from the Clint Eastwood movie.

DigsySlattery · « **Reply #13 on:** May 06, 2009, 11:21:32 AM »

It's happening.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118003226.html?categoryid=10&ref=ra&cs=1

I'm excited...but also very nervous.

Juan Horsetown · « **Reply #14 on:** May 06, 2009, 11:50:47 AM »

The Ryan Reynolds interview I saw showed that he at least sees it as an ambitious project. As to whether that will be enough to make a good film, that remains to be seen.

Tom Foolery · « **Reply #15 on:** May 09, 2009, 11:52:20 AM »

Quote from: DigsySlattery on May 02, 2009, 09:36:01 AM

The real problem was Wolverine's claws which were SO fake it was laughable.

Saw the movie last night, and I noticed that, too. When he's in the bathroom at the farmhouse checking out his new metal claws for the first time, it didn't even look like CGI. It looked like a mixture of live-action acting and hand-drawn animation like in Roger Rabbit.

So is Victor Sabretooth? Throughout the movie I kept thinking, "OK.. that's probably a nod to something that I should know about but don't."

DigsySlattery · « **Reply #16 on:** May 09, 2009, 12:20:07 PM »

Yeah Victor Creed is Sabretooth (and NOT Wolverine's brother, either, thanks movie). No explanation given as to how Liev Schreiber goes to looking like an 8 foot tall hairy cat wrestler by the time of the first X-Men movie.

archivist · « **Reply #17 on:** May 25, 2009, 12:12:21 AM »

Just wanted to let you guys know that I added a new "spoiler text" feature to the message board. When you post, there's a black and white "SP" button on the tool bar now. You can use that to hide any spoilers. The spoiler text will be blacked out until the reader hovers over it with their mouse. Check it out...

SPOILER!
That kid in The Sixth Sense eats dead people... or something like that.

Juan Horsetown · « **Reply #18 on:** May 25, 2009, 07:59:56 AM »

Quote from: archivist on May 25, 2009, 12:12:21 AM

Just wanted to let you guys know that I added a new "spoiler text" feature to the message board. When you post, there's a black and white "SP" button on the tool bar now. You can use that to hide any spoilers. The spoiler text will be blacked out until the reader hovers over it with their mouse. Check it out...

SPOILER!
That kid in The Sixth Sense eats dead people... or something like that.

Awesomest new board feature. Ever.

Tom Foolery · « **Reply #19 on:** September 09, 2009, 07:51:35 PM »

Now that you've had some time for the news to sink in, how does you all feel about Disney's plans to acquire Marvel?

DigsySlattery · « **Reply #20 on:** September 17, 2009, 11:34:40 AM »

I've been assured that the acquisition is much in line with how Disney works with Pixar. As in, Disney doesn't mess with Pixar at all, they just make money off of their awesomeness. And if that's the case, then fine. As long as this just means that Marvel movies have bigger budgets and wider reach, fine. I'm only worried about the universe getting even more splintered, with Paramount, Universal, Sony and Fox already in the Marvel sandbox. But then again, Disney probably has the money to buy back Iron Man, Hulk, Spider-Man and the X-Men if they so wish. Plus I have also heard that the current deal with Disney doesn't affect Iron Man 2, Thor, Captain America and Avengers. That's reassuring.

I'm also really excited about the animation prospects, as well as the possibility of Pixar doing ANYTHING with Marvel. That would be AWESOME.

As for the comics, Disney knows they know nothing about them and, again, I've heard from friends in Marvel that Disney won't mess with the comics. They know Marvel knows what they're doing and knows to not get in the way. If this does mean better kids comics at Marvel, or better marketing to children, and getting new readers into comics, then that is GREAT.

Also, Marvel stuff in Disney stores and at Disney World? That rules me.

I may be an optimist but I really don't think anything is going to change on the comic front, and I actually think that the movies will get even better. Fingers crossed.